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SS# dilemma for state nationals

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SS# dilemma for state nationals

Postby Veggie » Wednesday December 31st, 2008 4:56 pm MST


The SS Act of 1935, section VIII, imposes an income tax.
The Act is in your Online Resources link for those interested.

Thusly, my understanding is that to remove oneself from the compelled performance
to pay this income tax, one would have to withdraw from SSA.
The Social Security Administration provides form SSA - 521,

Myself and most others were COERCED into filling out an SS-5 application to obtain an SS#
in order to get a job as a teenager, often as a minor under 18.
We were NOT informed that such is VOLUNTARY. We were not informed that to do so would change our political status from
a state national to a federal U.S. citizen. We were NOT informed that doing so
would deprive us of our rights from God listed, in part, in the original Constitution and Bill of Rights.
We were not informed, per Supreme Court cases, that a waiver of rights must be done with full knowledge.
Instead we were fraudulently lead to contract away our BIRTHRIGHTS, to be replaced by
legislative privileges from the United States municipal corporation based in Wash., DC.
This is FRAUD. See Black's Law Dictionary.

Note also: in 26 CFR 1.1, section 4(b), Citizens or residents of the United States [a federal corporation, 28 USC 3002(15)]
liable for the tax. "In general, all citizens of the United States, ....are liable to the income taxes imposed by the Code...."
4(c) Who is a citizen. "Every person born or naturalized in the United States [federal corporation within boundaries of DC, islands, federal enclaves]
and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen."

If a natural person has applied for an SS#, he is now a federal U.S. citizen liable for the tax imposed above.

However, to withdraw from the Social Security in order to nullify federal citizenship, one could not use the SS# again, I believe.
This is a real hassle in modern society as so much is tied up with one's credit rating and businesses requiring an SS# to check credit .
Try getting many services without an SS#.

Are there any other options for a state national to retain use of SS# for NON-governmental use, yet still not incur the liablity of the SS Act for an income tax?
Is there a valid option to protect the status of state national, and not have to formally withdraw one's SS application?
Any referral to education sources, laws etc would be appreciated with this situation.


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Re: SS# dilemma for state nationals

Postby Citizensoldier » Wednesday December 31st, 2008 9:40 pm MST


I am not aware of anyone being coerced into using an Social Security Number ("SSN"); however, it may happen. It's simple, when a man or woman chooses to contract, they only need to do so. Use of the SSN indicates that it is not a man or woman acting in a relationship, but a simple trust created by the Social Security Administration ("SSA"). Instead of recreating the wheel, you would be better served by reading the standard of review in the Contracts, Trusts, and Corp. Sole announcement, as posted by admin. After doing so, it is very educational to visit a local law library and read about the Law of Trusts for yourself.


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Re: SS# dilemma for state nationals

Postby Admin » Thursday January 1st, 2009 3:36 pm MST

:h: Veggie:
Citizensoldier was correct to point out that though opinions such as you expressed are common among people that research our current situation by studying what third parties have to say on the matter, those opinions are quickly dispatched by following the Standard for Review we have presented and learning the true nature of the relationships involved.

Though we cannot go too far in our Open Forum with a review of the matter, it is well handled in our Beneficiary Forum.

We can give you the following hints to resolve the errors you assumed:
  • The first error in your assumptions is the assumption that the relationship with Social Security Administration is one where you are the actor (the taxpayer). Citizensoldier nailed that one by identifying the party created in that relationship (the taxpayer) as a Trust; thus, the taxpayer is the trust, not the person lending the trust consciousness and physical capacity [see our Contracts, Trusts and the Corporation Sole article. Perhaps you should also go back and read Myth 22 from our website’s Patriot Mythology page. Make sure you read all of the linked information in the “Prerequisite Knowledge” provided there. That will bring you up to speed with understanding the relationship Corp. U.S. sets up through its Social Security Administration with the Social Security cards and the respective taxpayer identification numbers.
  • The second error is the assumption that anyone can use the Social Security Administration Form 521 and just bow out. That form only works if the card provided is never used. In other words, if the trust is applied for but never used such that any funds are related to any action using the name and account number assigned to the Trust, then Social Security Administration will honor the request. If that is not the case then they will deny the Request for Withdrawal of Application. In other words, that form only works if the trust so formed is not put into service.
  • Third, it is impossible to remove yourself from a compelled performance relationship that does not exist; thus no coercion can exist to compel you into such a situation;
  • The same goes for your allegation regarding your birthrights; and,
  • That follows as the error regarding the Fraud you alleged as well and that which follows.
You would have to go to our Beneficiary Forum to get any more depth to our response on such a matter, but you should be able to already understand the basics of the errors in the assumptions you provided.

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