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Governments do not have jurisdiction over people

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Governments do not have jurisdiction over people

Postby MRandolph » Saturday July 26th, 2014 4:59 pm MDT

As people, we are sovereign above government. Each of the member nations of these united states of America agreed to a republican form of government to join the union. As I comprehend it, a republican form of government protects the natural rights of the individual. As sovereigns, we get to choose whether or not a statute passed by the legislative branches of a republican government will have legal force of authority over us as individuals. This is contrary to a democracy wherein the majority can strip away rights of the minority. Evidence that the corporations are operating outside of our original jurisdiction is the common claim by our politicians that we are a democracy. What they do not reveal to the public is the democratic corporation has no legal force of authority over people.

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Re: Governments do not have jurisdiction over people

Postby Admin » Monday July 28th, 2014 9:53 pm MDT

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Welcome to our forum and thank you for your post.

Some of the elemental presuppositions of your opening paragraph seem in common with presuppositions often made by those studying the patriot movement. Though the patriot movement has the potential of being quite beneficial to our society, the movement is fraught with agent provocateurs spreading myths. Respectively, if that movement is to be of actual aid to the people, the people within the movement need to resolve the so often presupposed myths common within the movement—which is exactly why we posted our Patriot Mythology page. We love the idea of the people awakening their “inner patriot” as a driver to help them study the law; we simply need to dump the myths.

In keeping with that need, let’s resolve a few of those myths by reviewing a few of the presuppositions from your post:
  1. The presupposition that: “As people, we are sovereign above government.” Though people are the source of all authority in government and, respectively, can be considered “above the government” (in that regard); in other ways that presupposition is false and if misapplied can easily become the cause of trespasses that can give government great power over those people misapplying that presupposition. Wherefore, we must resolve that myth.
    1. To resolve the myth we must first understand our form of government and how it works. To that end, let’s clarify a few elemental facts:
      • The individual people are by definition sovereign (see: Sovereignty);
      • Under the sovereign authority collectively provided by the people, our government was created by the Constitution for the United States of America (see: Myth 7);
      • Said Constitution provided only the limited authority granted in said Constitution;
          The use of which is further limited by the oaths of all officers in government to uphold, support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America;
      • Our government is controlled by Law;
      • Our government is representative in its nature; and,
      • With a small exception for dockyards, etc. the Constitution limits the government from owning land (domain) of its own.
      • Therefore, because said constitutions only: formed said government, granted it only the limited authority necessary to function (including only the authority to administrate a small portion of the collective sovereign authority of the people) and granted no authority, whatsoever, to govern the people—the Constitutional Republic nature of government formed by our Constitution is: “A Nation of Sovereigns”.
    2. Now, remember, though your sovereign nature is equal to any other sovereign’s nature, your sovereignty (like anyone else’s) is defined by your “dominion, agency and possession” (see: Sovereignty); respectively, the political power of your sovereignty is uniquely limited to your political control over your land (domain);
    3. Accordingly, because each of the sovereign people that collectively granted the government authority to administrate a small portion of their respective sovereign authority as needed to carry out the limited functions lawfully allowed to the government, we must each acknowledge that:
      1. The authority granted from the people to the government collectively came from all of the people; not just from any individual person; and,
      2. The political power of sovereignty is derived from each sovereign’s specific domain; that is to say: political power is not a function of the size of the domain of any individual sovereign; rather, it is a function of the votes controlled by each sovereign within their respective domain.
      3. Wherefore, though the people, as a “Nation of Sovereigns”, preserved their Republic form of government through the use of constitutions, the political people of the people remains one of equal standing between each of the sovereign people.
    4. Respectively, because each of the people granted government authority to administrate a portion of their authority, to the extent granted within the Constitution for the United States of America and not limited by the Constitution of the United States of America, the government retains the ability to exercise that authority for the whole of the people.
    5. Wherefore, the to the extent that the government is acting within the limitation of the law, the individual sovereign does not possess sufficient authority to politically or otherwise exercise control over or “above the government”; as you suggested in your presupposition.
        Respectively, if any of the individual people were to attempt to exercise their sovereignty over the government, that act could easily constitute a trespass against the remaining sovereigns of the nation—which trespass could constitute treason (or any number of other crimes); and, would (in accord with the Constitution) be punishable with an action of the law.
  2. The presupposition regarding the name of the nation: “member nations of these united states of America”
    1. See: Myth 13.
    2. The name of the nation is: “The United States of America” Articles of Confederation, Article 1.
  3. The presupposition that: “a republican form of government protects the natural rights of the individual”
    1. The principle elements of a “Republic” are:
      1. The government is not a Monarchy;
      2. The government is controlled by law;
      3. Government officials are elected by the voting public; and,
      4. The government represents the people.
    2. Nowhere in the principle elements of a Republic do we find a requirement that the: “government protects the natural rights of the individual”; and,
    3. The following nations are/or were republics:
      1. The Peoples’ Republic of China (communistic);
      2. The Weimar Republic of Germany (which gave rise to Hitler’s fascistic regime);
      3. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (U.S.S.R. communistic); and,
      4. The Czech Republic (democracy/mob rule)
        • None of which recognized or protected “the natural rights of the individual”.
      5. Wherefore, we must conclude that republics do not inherently ‘protect the natural rights of individuals’.
  4. The presupposition that: “As sovereigns, we get to choose whether … a statute passed by the legislative branches of a republican government will have legal force of authority over us as individuals.”
    1. As per paragraph ‘1.’ (above), the individual sovereign people’s political power does not extend over the government;
    2. Respectively, because the people constitutionally granted the legislature the means for lawfully passing statutes (as needed to accomplish the purposes of the government) and because the people reserved the right to contest such statutes only through proper administrative, legislative and/or judicial proceedings, the people can only lawfully contest such statutes (and/or their application) through the due process of such proceedings.
  5. The presupposition that: “Evidence that the corporations are operating outside of our original jurisdiction is the common claim by our politicians that we are a democracy.”
    1. There are several presuppositions in that phrase; respectively, we will address the following:
      1. “(O)ur politicians” presupposes that the politicians in question are “ours”.
      2. Though politicians, the media and others may refer to Corp. U.S.’ form of governance as a democracy, preprogrammed computerized elections, the social security cardholder system and the Homeland Security implied requirement for using a social security number for virtually all transactions clearly demonstrates Corp. U.S.’ form of governance is Communism; not, Democracy (see: Corp. U.S. Myth 9).
      3. The phrase presupposes that evidence is needed to show that Corp. U.S. operates outside of our original jurisdiction government; however, because Corp. U.S. was created as a private corporation (owned by the original jurisdiction municipal government of the District of Columbia) and because after Corp. U.S. entered its 17th amendment to its constitution, the states failed to replace their original jurisdiction Senators in the original jurisdiction government leaving Corp. U.S. alone to carry out the business needs of government through it corporate capacity; wherefore, Corp. U.S. does not have the capacity to act in original jurisdiction—regardless of any other evidence.
    2. The existence of that phrase presupposes the phrase is relevant; when it is not.
  6. The presupposition that: “What they do not reveal to the public is the democratic corporation has no legal force of authority over people.”
    1. That phrase contains two primary presuppositions the first is the presupposition of a “democratic corporation”;
      • No such thing can possibly exist.
      • Of course, by the context of the phrase, we expect you intended that reference to imply ‘Corp. U.S.’; which does exist; however, because it is a corporation its actual form of governance is ‘contractual agreement’;
    2. The second presupposition is that Corp. U.S. has “no legal force of authority over the people”.
      • Corp. U.S. provided the Social Security Cardholder System for interfacing with people;
      • The terms and conditions for participating with said Cardholder System are contractual, binding and permanent.
      • Respectfully, once a Social Security card is accepted (activated) from the Social Security Administration a Cardholding Trust is contractually created; and, if the party lending consciousness and physical capacity to that Trust is one of the people, then Corp. U.S. definitely possesses the authority to exercise legal force over that person.
Now, from the references included in this response, you can easily see that most of the myths at the basis of the presuppositions resolved above are found in Team Law’s Patriot Mythology page. Wherefore, most people find it quite helpful to review that page and adjust their understanding accordingly. The Corp. U.S. Mythology page can also be quite helpful to resolve many such issues.

Still, we believe the most important thing anyone can do to enhance their understanding of any relationship is “Learn, and regularly apply, the Standard for Review.

Along with that, we find that even when people follow the Standard for Review, the only way to truly learn from the process is apply what you learn to review what you thought you already knew and adjust your foundation of knowledge to eliminate such myths and presuppositions so that they can no longer limit you from understanding the truth.

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