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Re: Continental Congress 2009.

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Re: Continental Congress 2009.

Postby Vzeng1 » Tuesday November 10th, 2009 9:47 am MST

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Initially, this post was posted in response to a post by Sandralynn, which was deleted for failing to follow our Open Forum system’s Forum Rules. The balance of this topical thread follows:
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Hello. It seems that by the tone of your posting you care about this Nation. It also seems to me that you may be unaware of the real facts of history that prove that there is a United States Constitution, which is the corporate District of Columbia's (Corp. U.S.) constitution and the nation's Constitution of the United States of America. Knowing this distinction will likely make it unnecessary for anyone to want to participate in any such Continental Congress event when instead they can be using that time and energy to focus on the most important task ; that is, participate in reseating our nation's government in time for the 2012 elections.

To help you gain this background information which has been previously addressed regarding your inquiry, you may want to read the discussions of the following link: Re: Article V Convention.

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Re: Continental Congress 2009.

Postby Admin » Tuesday November 10th, 2009 9:03 pm MST

:h: Sandralynn:
Though we share your hope for our nation we are quite concerned over the “CC2009” meeting you have been addressing. As Vzeng1 noted with his link to the forum page Re: Article V Convention where we disclosed some of our concerns over such meeting and their premises.

You responded acknowledging that the purpose for the meeting you referenced “is in no way an attempt to steer toward an Article V Convention”; rather, you claim the intent of the meeting “is an attempt to defend, not amend, the Constitution for the United States of America and to teach American's about their long forgotten rights of popular sovereignty”.

However, we have witnessed some of the meetings rallying support of the convention you are promoting and our experience with them is they rally people to focusing more attention on what Corp. U.S. is doing wrong such that intent of the meeting is obviously focused on animate people to take action against Corp. U.S. Such a purpose cannot benefit our country. Rather, it puts us in grave danger.

Our concern with such tactics is their point of focus. Our experience with Bob Schultz’s pattern to date has been that while they are working on their next latest greatest plan they promote say things like, “If this doesn’t work, the only thing left is armed rebellion.”

Of course, that is exactly what Corp. U.S. wants. They want the people to rebel so that they will have justification to bring in totalitarian control over the populace.

The thing you have to understand about what Vzeng1 said in his response to you (regarding Corp. U.S.) is not just that it is a corporation (formally named “District of Columbia” in the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871), it is that it is not our government. Yet meetings like the one you are promoting treat it as if it were our government. It is not. Therefore, treating it like it is only enhances the problem. Corp. U.S. cannot solve the problem; and, the people cannot solve the problem by holding meetings designed to animate the populace against Corp. U.S.; thus, you cannot “defend the Constitution” by fussing over what Corp. U.S. has done, is doing or may do in the future.

Further, you cannot solve the problems we face by waiving the notions of either “popular sovereignty” or ‘collective sovereignty’ as concepts that grant government the consent to govern the people—such was never the case in this Constitutional Republic. The reality of actual sovereignty is the foundation of the authority to govern over people and it rests in the individual people themselves. In forming our Constitutional Republic, the people of this nation did not grant government authority to rule over them; rather, they collectively constitutionally formed a government and each respectively granted that government authority to use a portion of their (the peoples) sovereign authority to interact with other governments as the single voice of the sovereign people. Not one element of our Constitution granted authority for that government to rule over the people. In fact, our Constitution forbids such an expansion of authority from the government.

Thus, animating the people against Corp. U.S. will do no service. The only thing that will save this country is if the people awaken to the necessity they have always had; that being—learn the law and apply it.

Again, Corp. U.S. is not our government; rather it is merely a private foreign corporation that was lawfully charged by our government with authority to carry out the business needs of our government. From the 1871 foundation of Corp. U.S., as the officers of our government more and more regularly continued to work through Corp. U.S. to accomplish all of the needs of government, they found that they had more power to control those very operations through contractual relations than in any other way; so, they vacated the unused government offices in favor of the more powerful corporate offices and then began working more directly in control of the people by their voluntary contractual participation until we are where we are today.

Thus, the solution is: awaken to the facts of life, learn the law and apply it. That application must take two primary forms:
  1. We have to learn the laws of Corp. U.S. and the corp. states to compel them to follow their own laws; and,
  2. We must learn the law to legally and lawfully reseat our original jurisdiction governments both state and national; and, through them legally and lawfully retake take control over those corporations through their ongoing obligations to the very governments that formed them.
Such a meeting as you are supporting cannot accomplish either of those tasks.

The bottom line: in our world today you nearly have to be blind and deaf not to know something is wrong with what you thought was government. But, if you believe the government is responsible or that they, as you said, “sold out and deceived” the people, then you don’t understand the problem. They were also deceived. They were simply doing their job the best they knew how given the environment in which they find themselves.

As you said the Lord does work in mysterious ways; but you put that as if it is all up to Him when He clearly leaves it up to us. So long as you are going to meetings and finding fault with the other guy you will do just that and you will animate that meeting of people against them. However, the reason we are in this situation—both the people in general and those serving in offices of governance—is because we were all deceived. That deception took place because we forgot the laws of God and man; we failed to learn them and accordingly we failed to apply them (because we did not know them. That is what made the deception possible. That is why the only cure for our problems is to learn the law and apply it.

We deceived ourselves by putting our focus on the wrong things. To fix it we have to learn the law and apply it—starting with God’s law and moving right one with man’s law, then we have to apply it. God helps those that help themselves. If we don’t do what we must, He promises not to interfere until we are ripe for destruction; then he will simply let us destroy ourselves. That is where we are now. We are on the verge of destruction.

We agree with your summation when you said:
Sandralynn wrote:They just do not realize that the corporation is not their government. Please let us make every attempt that we can to help them find their way to the truth so we may peacefully restore America.
Again, that is the problem with what we have seen from the direction the Bob Schultz group has been taking the people. They have never provided any hope of remedy. They have only worked to animate the people towards anarchy and Civil War. We cannot go there. There is no way to save our nation through that path. The only way for us to all join together is to learn the law and apply it.

Though Team law also points out elements of our history that hopefully will awaken the people to discover something is wrong, we are all about the remedy. We do not fault those that serve in Corp. U.S. or in corp. states; instead we recognize that they too need to awaken to the truth. Sure there are some people that appear to be totally evil working in high powered political positions; still, it does us no service to focus on that. They too were born of parents and there is hope for all of us if we will learn the law and learn to apply it then apply it and save both our nation and ourselves. Such a thing can even turn people that have come from the wickedest of circumstances towards the light.

May we all awaken and find the light.

We hope there are enough good people (like yourself) in your meeting that you will be able to keep it from turning against us all. And, may we all be fortunate enough that Corp. U.S. doesn’t take advantage of that meeting to cause something far worse to come of it.

It is truly too bad that Bob Schultz has not welcomed our many offerings to help. It kind of supports the theory that they are knowingly or unknowingly agent provocateurs simply using the people for their own agendas. We hope and pray that does not prove to be true.

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Re: Continental Congress 2009.

Postby Sandralynn » Tuesday November 10th, 2009 9:32 pm MST

Thank you for your reply. Can you please direct me to the best resources to learn the law?

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Re: Continental Congress 2009.

Postby Admin » Wednesday November 11th, 2009 8:56 am MST

:h: Sandralynn:
The best source for learning the law is the law itself studied while following the Standard for Review.

Of course, we believe Team Law is an invaluable resource for helping you to make sure you are learning and understanding the law correctly as you study. After all, that is what we do.

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