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Withdraw Real Property from Registration

Postby Eidolon » Friday April 20th, 2012 12:41 pm MDT

I have been reading about withdrawing my property from registration with the county, thru the state supreme court here in NY. Is there anyone on this forum with expereince with this that could point me towards some material i could read to educate myself better. I understand this as an opportunity to remove the property from the tax roles, it is derived from a biblical premise that only the patent holders can be taxed, land itself can not be taxed.

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Re: Withdraw Real Property from Registration

Postby Admin » Saturday April 21st, 2012 4:34 pm MDT

:h: Eidolon:
First of all for everyone that is not from New York, the New York state Supreme Court is not the highest court of appeals like the Supreme Courts of other states. In New York, the state Supreme Court is simply the local county trial court into which most cases are filed.

Having addressed that matter, there are several presuppositions in your inquiry that make a reasonable response either difficult or simply impossible with regard to our Open Forum system. The presupposition that filing such an action would be the most reasonable path to accomplish what appears to be your intent is the first element that seems out of place. Though we cannot here disclose how we would address such a matter (that level of educational support is reserved to Team Law beneficiary support), we would not start with such a court based challenge; and in most instances such an action would not likely ever be needed. Thus, we do not expect that anyone on our Open Forum system would respond to your inquiry with anything that would support such a path even if that did fit within the purpose of our forum (which is does not; see Rules 3, 24 & 25).

Of course, from that response you should also realize that the nature of such an inquiry that does not follow a process supported by Team Law would constitute solicitation as defined in either Rule 24 or 25 and accordingly such a request would not be proper on this forum.

However, when that is the chosen course desired by a Team Law beneficiary, we can help them learn how to learn the law sufficiently well that they could learn to accomplish the ultimate purpose to which you expressed your intent—that being owning/controlling property tax free.

Another errant presupposition we have to address is your allegation that it is a “biblical premise that only the patent holders can be taxed”; which allegation is absurd! A biblical search for the word “patent” will result: “no matches”. Further, no implication exists in the Holy Bible of any such premise. Thus, we have no idea what you were referring to with that allegation; nonetheless, the allegation itself is false.

However, you were quite correct with your comment that “land” (as the term is used on most land patents) “itself cannot be taxed”. Of course, that is because land (so defined) is the domain itself; and, as such it remains intangible and immutable; neither can it be bought sold or traded; thus, because Land itself has those qualities it “itself”—the domain—cannot be taken for either debt or taxes.

Of course, the problem comes when others (outside the terms so well expressed and defined) define the term ‘land’ as including both the domain the property appurtenant to the land (as in Real Estate), which is tangible and can be bought sold and/or traded; respectively, real estate can be taken for the failure to pay either: a debt secured by the property appurtenant to the land or property taxes.

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Re: Withdraw Real Property from Registration

Postby Eidolon » Saturday April 21st, 2012 4:35 pm MDT

More specifically, i am curious about one element of the requirements in the application to the state supreme court, to be successfuly removed from registration... as follows: "a statement of the circumstances existing which render continued registration of the title impracticable and inexpedient, and a prayer for the withdrawal from registration. "

I am vaery curious about the "prayer" requirement

New York State Consolidated Laws ARTICLE 12 - Section 404 Registering Title to Real Property
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Re: Withdraw Real Property from Registration

Postby Admin » Saturday April 21st, 2012 4:55 pm MDT

:h: Eidolon:
Given the information provided in your second post under this topic, we now understand that your first inquiry was referring to the statutory process under which a party can, through a particular process, have their property removed from the property tax roles of the state. Most states call that process “property tax abatement”. Thus, to clarify our first response: we were not aware that you were referring to the statutory property tax abatement process (for which most states have a procedure); thus, regarding such a process, Team Law can help people learn how to properly follow such processes, but in most cases, the elements of that privileged process is linked to some other factor like elderly, infirm, extraordinary military service, non-profit organization status, etc. And, thus, for most people, such a statutory process for acknowledging such a privileged status does not apply. Thus, it remains irrelevant. Nonetheless, when such a practice is warranted, certainly we can help people learn how to follow the same.

Respectively the “prayer” noted can mean at least two distinct things:
  1. You can replace the court for God and pray to the court; or,
  2. It can be a synonym for “plea”, “request”, “entreat”, “ask for”, etc.
Respectively, for those that desire to preserve that word to refer to their communications with God (in honor of the scriptural requirement to pray only to God), we expect they rightfully choose to exchange the word for a more appropriate synonym like: “Request for Relief”. What the statute is requiring is that you must actually “ask for” (pray for) what you want.

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Re: Withdraw Real Property from Registration

Postby Eidolon » Saturday April 21st, 2012 6:26 pm MDT

Thank you for your response. It satisfied my curiosity. Sounds like NY State [supreme] Court would most likely only grant this if you are in a condition that makes paying property taxes impossible.

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Re: Withdraw Real Property from Registration

Postby Admin » Monday April 23rd, 2012 10:02 am MDT

:h: Eidolon:
Though the conditions for which the states grant property tax abatements vary, they are not inclusive of only causes that make paying such taxes impossible. However, those conditions vary between states, counties, etc. And, those conditions are easily discoverable from the sources from which such abatements are granted; thus, to discover those conditions one would be best served by going to those sources.

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