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Why do Marriage Licenses exist?

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Why do Marriage Licenses exist?

Postby Jekellisland » Monday January 23rd, 2012 3:02 pm MST

I would appreciate someone explaining to me, how, if, there is separation between church and STATE, why are there marriage licenses issued by the STATE?

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Re: Why do Marriage Licenses exist?

Postby Copacetic » Monday January 23rd, 2012 8:06 pm MST

Black's 6th Law Dictionary
Marriage license. A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry.

Intermarriage. See Miscegenation

Miscegenation. Mixture of races. Term formerly applied to marriage between persons of different races. Statutes prohibiting marriage between persons of different races ahve been held to be invalid as contrary to equal protection clause of Constitution. Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 87 S.Ct. 1817, 18 L.Ed.2d 1010.

Apparently it is a document that is used to grant permission for persons to do something that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled is not against the law anyway.
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Re: Why do Marriage Licenses exist?

Postby Admin » Tuesday January 24th, 2012 6:08 am MST

:h: Jekellisland:
Though many people follow the practice of solemnizing their weddings through church services the union itself is merely a contract between the parties so united. Therefore, as a matter of constitutionally secured rights (Article 1 § 10: “No State shall…pass any…Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts”) no State can possess the authority to so impair the right of people to marry in accord with the terms and conditions they so chose. Voluntarily inviting a minister of a church to perform or solemnize a wedding ceremony fits within the sovereign right of agency (see: Sovereignty), which remains under the sole control of each of us and which right can only be lawfully limited by the father of the bride.

Thus, because no man or woman can possess the lawful authority to limit another adult from that agency, we, the People, do not possess the authority to grant the State such an authority that none of the people so possess; and, where all lawful authority in the State comes from the people, that too limits the State from having any such lawful authority.

Of course, that brings us back to your original question: “Why are marriage licenses issued by the State?” And, because we see no real relationship between that question and the subject of, “separation of church and State”, we changed the subject for this topical thread from: “Separation of Church and State”, to: “Why do Marriage Licenses exist?”

To answer that inquiry we first referenced the fact that the State cannot lawfully possess the authority by referring you to Team Law’s web page on Sovereignty; wherein we address that very topic and show the State cannot possess the lawful authority to require marriage licenses. Nonetheless, such laws remain on the books in quite a few states. So, how can that lawfully be?

The simple answer is, “It is not lawful.”
It is like the old federal law that limited people from protesting abortion clinics from within a particular perimeter of any such clinic. Under that statute, when protesters were found guilty, they were sentenced to prison terms in the federal penitentiary system. Then, after a group of five musicians were so charged and four of them convicted and imprisoned [in spite of the fact that (through their attorneys) they fought the measure on the constitutionally secured rights of free speech and assembly], the remaining musician stood alone (without representation) and challenged the prosecution to show cause wherein Congress was ever granted authority to pass such a law against the people in the first instance. The prosecution could not show such a cause and accordingly, not only was the case dismissed against that man but the statute itself was found unconstitutional and was removed from the United States Code.

Thus, the long answer is (as shown by that example), though there is no provision in law that can allow for the lawful passage of a general marriage license requirement that compels people to get marriage licenses before they can be married, that limitation does not preclude ignorant government legislators and executives from passing and or signing such acts as if they were lawful.

Accordingly, such unlawful measures remain on the State Statute books until the people (or others) follow a lawful process to have such laws removed (legislatively, administratively or judicially). Thus, with that explanation the second shortest answer to your question: ‘How can that be’ is: “Such laws exist because the people have not yet raised a successful contest against the same.”

We expect that answer remains for the same reason our nation has the problems it has today; the people are ignorant of both their rights and the law. Thus, again, the solution to such problems is: “The people must learn and apply the law.”

When and as we do, we will win our Constitutional Republic back. On the political side, that is exactly what Ron Paul’s platform is for his candidacy for the Corp. U.S. Presidency. He understands that the only way to save our nation is to return government to the limitations and controls of our Constitution.

Of course, that is exactly the purpose for which Team Law was formed. We help people learn how to learn the law so they can apply the law.

Copacetic responded to your inquiry by looking to dictionaries (see: The Cardinal Rule of Definitions). That review did pop out a tidbit from history. The first such licenses did come from people going to the State to ask if the state would marry them because their churches would not when they were desiring to marry their slaves that were of a foreign dark skinned race. Thus, the practice of getting a marriage license was formed to recognize the lawful right people from different races had to marry (miscegenation) in accord with the official State sanctioned union. We acknowledge the State has the authority to recognize such relationships for the same reasons that they can so recognize any other business venture (like corporations, etc.); they simply cannot acquire the lawful authority to require such a thing from those that do not chose to ask for their permission to marry. (see: Family Ties, in WARN newsletter, volume 1 issue 1.)

We would not start at the dictionary to research the topic; for fear of developing a misunderstanding. Rather, we would recognize marriages are relationships; so, we would instead follow the Standard for Review and in that process we would discover the first historically recorded marriage (between Adam and Eve). Therein we would also notice the principal reason why people determine the responsibility for getting married by their religious ministers—that being the authority from God to marry. Of course, that is an important issue to many of us; however, there are also those that marry in accord with their own sovereign authority. Such marriages were anciently recognized as concubine marriages.

Today, we find it just as interesting that when people go to their ministers to be married (even in their churches) the ministers are so often heard to say words to the effect of: “By the power vested in me by the State of ‘X’, I now pronounce you man and wife.” When following the Standard for Review in an attempt to find wherein the State ever so acquired such an authority or even ever granted the same to such ministers we have not been able to find it. Those words are simply habitual terms that have no basis in either rights or propriety. They are simply traditional words that remain absent any basis in law.

Thus, rather than looking to the dictionary, we would look to the terms and conditions of the actual agreements being made between the parties. However, to delve into such matters we would have to be reviewing this matter at least in the Team Law Beneficiary’s Private Forum; so, for now, we will revert to our acknowledgment of this as one of the most important issues for the people to resolve in their respective States; we must address this bogus allegation that the State has any authority to so limit marriages. Team Law can help you learn how to learn the law so that you can.

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Re: Why do Marriage Licenses exist?

Postby Zane » Monday July 23rd, 2012 8:54 pm MDT

These same questions of authority should be considered when dealing with any license issued by the corp states or Corp US to it's agency businesses. The Standard for Review is simple genius.
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