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Re: Capitalization of names

Postby Admin » Wednesday September 28th, 2005 6:09 am MDT

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Re: Capitalization of names

Postby Admin » Sunday October 2nd, 2005 1:53 pm MDT

:h: Citizen Publius,
The practice of giving fictitious business entities names using all caps is not a function of the capitalization rules of the English language; rather it is a function of business practice. It is called poetic license—which means the author/creator of a thing has the license to name a thing anyway they choose.

Whereas, a man’s name definitely fits within the capitalization rules for the English language, where it requires that proper names are spelled with the initial letter only capitalized. It is the format for all proper nouns’ spelling.

Some tax protestors (and others) present the matter as if it is an absolute rule of the English language and a critical issue proving the identity of the entity as opposed to the man. We would note, though the use of an entity’s name can indicate the party in question, actual proof of the entity involved would be established by the Taxpayer Identification Number, which only applies to the entity. The name alone can be more confusing. We expect that is exactly why the Social Security Administration said they created the name and number to distinguish that person from any other person of the same or similar name.

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Re: Capitalization of names

Postby Admin » Tuesday October 4th, 2005 1:52 pm MDT

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Re: Capitalization of names

Postby Patriot » Friday May 5th, 2006 12:18 pm MDT

Admin wrote:Some tax protestors (and others) present the matter as if it is an absolute rule of the English language and a critical issue proving the identity of the entity as opposed to the man

Why wouldn't it be an absolute rule? Only the government addresses people in all cap spelling. The courts disregard the standard rule of law governing the use of English grammar and the correct capitalization. Courts are required to abide by the standard rule of law governing the use of English grammar and the correct capitalization of proper names. (citations omitted) Courts are required to use the rules of English by the own Rules of Court!

The all cap spelling of a man's name is a pseudonym. A pseudonym is a ficticious name. A nom de guerre is a pseudonym, a war name, a name assumed by or assigned to a person engaged in some action or enterprise.

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Re: Capitalization of names

Postby Thunder » Friday May 5th, 2006 3:15 pm MDT

Patriot,
I believe you have misunderstood what Admin was stating. The all cap name is not the defining issue involved as to whether or not "JOHN DOE", as opposed to "John Doe", is not the defining reason that makes "JOHN DOE" an entity. It is the nature of the SS Account it self that defines it as an entity. Read "Contracts, Trusts and the Corporate Sole" on the forum, and you will have a much better understanding.
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Re: Capitalization of names

Postby Patriot » Friday May 5th, 2006 3:40 pm MDT

Thunder,
I understand the issue perfectly. I did not misunderstand what Admin said. Thank you. I understand that it is the nature of the SS Account that defines it as an entity. Maybe YOU are that entity, but I am NOT.

Admin admits that the all cap spelling of the name only applies to the entity with the taxpayer identification number. In other words, it can only be used as proof of the ALL CAP name, not the real man's name.
Admin wrote:We would note, though the use of an entity’s name can indicate the party in question, actual proof of the entity involved would be established by the Taxpayer Identification Number, which only applies to the entity.
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The Admin quote noted above does not support Patriot's allegation that preceeds it:
A review of our comment shows that we stated that the capital spelling “indicates” a possibility of such a thing, which possibility must be confirmed by the use of the TIN in regard with such a person to confirm the entity nature or the person. That is because “the TIN only applies to the entity.” The all capital letter spelling could easily have been a spelling error, an oversight or a misunderstanding; thus, such matters should be resolved by follow-up communication with the writer of such things instruments. The bottom line: this post misinterpreted our comment as quoted. :t^:
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Postby Thunder » Friday May 5th, 2006 7:26 pm MDT

Patriot,
It seems to have been my error. I misinterpeted what you were saying. I was not by any means trying to offend you, if you took offense to my comment, I sincerely apologize. I am glad that you understood what Admin. was saying.
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Re: Capitalization of names

Postby Admin » Saturday May 6th, 2006 12:20 pm MDT

:h: Patriot:
Patriot wrote:I understand the issue perfectly.
Though we can always hope people will understand matters we present, we don’t expect such understanding comes to all without a bit of review; and, we hope you are open to our review of what appears to be an error in your understanding of the matter of English language capitalization rules and court rules. The apparent error is a discrepancy between what we have studied in the law and in the English language regarding such rules referenced in your posts regarding the same in this topical thread. To resolve the matter we note:
Patriot wrote:Why wouldn't it be an absolute rule?
Answer: Because it is not; logic and or idealism have nothing to do with it—we are referring to the rules of the English Language and the simple fact remains—there is no such rule.
Patriot wrote:Only the government addresses people in all cap spelling.
Actually, at least since the advent of computer controlled printer output, up until the last fifteen years, virtually all line and page (high speed) printers could only print in all capital letters. Though that limitation has for the most part changed over the last ten years, to this day there are many printers in automatic mail label printing systems that mechanically can only print in ALL CAPS. It is not a matter of a conspiracy; rather it is a left over limitation of the computer industry before the day of laser and inkjet printer technology. Therefore, it is not just “government” that addresses people in all caps. It is also a fact that in the Data Processing Industry, it is a common practice to use on screen capitalization as a method of verifying data entry; that is: all data is often typed into the computer consol in all lower case letters; then, when the data is entered the computer stores and displays it in all uppercase letters, thus data entry personnel can always know whether on screen data is displayed from the database or from their keyboard entry. Thus, there are several reasons why we see all capital letter spelling in data processing systems; which reasons have nothing to do with government.
Patriot wrote:The courts disregard the standard rule of law governing the use of English grammar and the correct capitalization.
For the courts to disregard such rules they would first have to exist; the existence of which we are not aware.
Patriot wrote:Courts are required to abide by the standard rule of law governing the use of English grammar and the correct capitalization of proper names. (citations omitted) Courts are required to use the rules of English by the own Rules of Court!
You chose to ‘omit citations’ presupposing that you know of some. We are aware that the patriot community alleges such things exist; however, we are neither aware of any such ‘standard rule of law’ governing the courts, nor of any such ‘rule of English grammar’. Therefore, if you are aware of the existence of such rules we ask you to share both the alleged rules and their sources with us. More accurately we expect you got that notion from some third party source, in which case we welcome you to admit that as well. If your response is the former we will gladly follow up your response by researching it. If it is the latter, we hope you will remain open to continue to learn the truth from Team Law—such discoveries are what we are all about.

Finally, we can assure you no Team Law beneficiary is any form of person other than a person of the same nature as any other descendant of man born from their mother after the pattern of Adam and Eve from the beginning. We can assure you of that fact because Team Law only grants its Team Law Beneficiary Endowments to people. So we can assure you that regarding your notation:
Patriot wrote:Maybe YOU are that entity, but I am NOT.
We know Thunder is a Team Law beneficiary and thus we can assure you, he is a man, not a fictitious business entity.

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Postby Olde_Silas » Tuesday August 1st, 2006 9:02 pm MDT

A researcher was looking into the all-caps name in the Orange County court system and said that he found that the all-caps name merely said there was more than one owner of that entity.

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Capitalization of names

Postby Admin » Saturday August 5th, 2006 5:03 pm MDT

:h: Olde_Silas:
Your statement regarding the researcher in Orange County exemplifies only one thing: said researcher has a good imagination. Capitalization of words is a function of two things:
  1. English language grammar; and,
  2. Poetic license.
There are no functions of law that dictate the usage of such capitalization other than the requirements for using the English language (where applicable). The English language common usage for all capital letter spelling include: proper noun acronyms, headings to some paragraphs, titles to books and other things and some formal company names. End of story.

We are however, always concerned when people follow after third party resources. With the advent of the Internet this problem has become even a greater one. Today people ‘google’ to do research. The evidence of the scope of the problem in the Information Age is given by the definition:
Merriam-Webster wrote: google (a verb): to use the Google search engine to obtain information (as about a person) on the World Wide Web
The problem is caused by people considering third party sources as evidence of something when they are purely hearsay. This problem brings two scriptures to mind: the one warns mankind not to be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine and the other reminds us that every word is established by the mouth of two or three witnesses. By witnesses, the Word refers to actual witnesses, the likes of which can give testimony in court; that is, actual first hand witnesses, not third party rehearsals. This is exactly why we always say follow our Standard for Review, learn the history and go to the source of the law itself to understand it. The same goes for understanding capitalization rules and for any other subject. Some third party researcher can never be an authoritative source — we say always do your own research.

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