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Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repealed?

Postby Gabriel1 » Wednesday June 20th, 2007 9:20 pm MDT

I am interested in learning if anyone has irrefutable evidence that the Articles of Confederation were ever repealed by all 13 States?

While recently researching I have uncovered some interesting comments from the original legislative documents in regards to the original establishment of District of Columbia within the DC Code.

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Re: Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repea

Postby Admin » Wednesday June 20th, 2007 11:00 pm MDT

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There was no need for the Articles of Confederation to be repealed, in effect they were simply abandoned. The course of events that caused that abandonment were:
  1. A college of Deputies from each State was formed, which college ultimately generated the Constitution for the United States of America.
  2. The Deputies that formed that college were fully authorized by the States to act in their stead as Deputies from those Confederate States.
  3. The Continental Congress of the States under the Articles of Confederation admonished approval of the new Constitution.
  4. Said college of Deputies formed and signed the Constitution for the United States of America.
  5. Each of the Confederate States ratified the new Constitution.
  6. Finally, each of the new States wrote new State Constitutions in accord with the new Constitution.
Thus, the Articles of Confederation were abandoned even if they were not formally repealed and the Confederation died as the Constitutional Republic was formed.

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[2] Reply Org. Jurisdiction Articles of Confederation

Postby Gabriel1 » Friday June 22nd, 2007 7:18 pm MDT

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Thank you for your comment. If you will indulge me, to further understand your supposition, I first must understand where you stake your footing.

1. the Articles of Confederation is of what (legal) nature of document?

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Re: [2] Reply Org. Jurisdiction Articles of Confederation

Postby Admin » Saturday June 23rd, 2007 1:30 pm MDT

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We are not quite sure what you are asking. The Articles of Confederation was the instrument initially used to unite the independent nation states that formed the first confederate Union of the United States of America. Its incredible flaws nearly destroyed the Union and it became necessary to reevaluate the Union to form a more perfected Union. That was done with the Constitution for the United States of America.

We do not understand the concern over what happened to the Articles of Confederation, when it can be clearly verified that each of the States ratified the Constitution of the United States of America and subsequently formed new constitutions under its control; thus, as a matter of law, divesting the sovereignty they were incorrectly granted under the Articles of Confederation in favor of recognizing that sovereignty comes from God to the individual people; of which the people then grant a portion to the State so that it can function. The primary remedy the new Constitution provided was it brought the States under the limited control of the central government; leaving the balance of the control over the States to the sovereign people.

The Articles of Confederation was a dramatically failed system and we are well rid of it. Had it remained in place this the country would have never survived. Its primary flaws were: it granted the individual States sovereignty, which put them at odds with the people making the people subject to them; the central government had no authority of its own and no control over the States; all congressional decisions had to be made unanimous, which meant that a State (like Rhode Island) could always disagree and nothing could ever be done to correct errors); the Union had no standard monetary system and no way to control trade disputes between the independent sovereign States. We truly are well rid of the Articles of Confederation. The main problem our country suffers today is, though the people are sovereign, their ignorance of law limits them from the necessity they have in preserving our government through our Constitutions; thus, entities like Corp. U.S and the Corp. States control them through their ignorance. The remedy is we must learn the law and apply it to preserve our country and our rights.

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Re: [3] Reply Org. Jurisdiction Articles of Confederation

Postby Gabriel1 » Saturday June 23rd, 2007 8:55 pm MDT

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Thank you for expanding your thoughts to my inquiry and most definitely assists me.

If I may clarify:

a) My intent of inquiry is not a "concern" per se, of what happened to the Articles, but rather, more from an archaeological forensic analysis into the science of jurisprudence and instruments derived therefrom and more particularly, compacts, treaties, constitutions, establishing in law American civil institutions, thus fortifying stare decisis in situ, e.g. all debts contracted and Engagements entered into.

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Re: [3] Reply Org. Jurisdiction Articles of Confederation

Postby Admin » Sunday June 24th, 2007 4:14 pm MDT

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In that regard then: in law the Articles of Confederation were abandoned by the States ratifying the Constitution of the United States of America and by their forming new State constitutions that eliminated their absolute sovereignty in favor of the central government and its Constitution limiting their newly established limited collective sovereignty. The net effect is the Articles of Confederation were thus abandoned and the Congress they formed disbanded by their own acknowledgment. You can find court rulings that support the same.

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Re: Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repealed?

Postby Mjsmikey777 » Tuesday January 26th, 2010 10:19 am MST

While it is true the Abrogation of the Articles of Confederation is a reality and its repeal non-existent pursuant to Article XIII of the Articles of Confederation , the United States in Congress assembled established by the states as a Central Government had no territory to manage until the Northwest Territory came into the possession of the Confederacy the United States of America via the spoils of WAR, the Peace treaty of 1783. The ordination of the Northwest Ordinance of 23 April 1784 repealed by the Northwest Ordinance of 23 July 1787 gave rise to a Constitution for the United States of America, the confederacy. This Constitution of 17 September 1787 provided a more permanent government for its more perfect union to manage the temporary Federal Territories as these territories became states on an equal status footing of the original thirteen states in the first union the perpetual union and this Federal government then would govern the states as the new states permanently managed the property of the "United States" of "this Union" and manage the Constitutional Republic with ordained justice of true Article III courts. the problem is the Constitution for the United States of America never was adopted by the Federal Government to ordain the second part of the National Government and this National Government was aborted by George Washington in his refusal to take a biding Article VI written oath instead he took an oral non-binding oath to make himself dictator of the Territory owned by and ceded to the United States of America. Since the Articles of Confederation have not been repealed but thrown aside they are still in effect for those that are not part of the so called government, namely citizens and inhabitants that exist in the states of the perpetual union which still exists today.

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Re: Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repealed?

Postby Admin » Wednesday January 27th, 2010 10:34 am MST

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We disagree for the reasons we already provided in this topical thread and more; accordingly, we continue with our prior response and again state; the presumption that the Articles of Confederation are still in effect is a ridiculous presumption having no support in law.

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Re: Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repealed?

Postby 2cb » Thursday July 8th, 2010 8:41 pm MDT

i think the "answer for dummies" is more easily understood in this way:

we can enter into a contract together, but then decide to dispose of the contract, and enter into a new and better contract of similar likeness and kind, without specifically stating that the former contract is hereby repealed.

you could get those papers out of the trash someday, and say "but this is the contract i want to abide by", but it won't stand against our latest contract, given that they are the same likeness and kind of contract. especially if the latter contract explicitly states "in Order to form a new and better Contract". it is self-evident that our last and latest agreement was created in favor of the former, and holds precedence over any former contract of the same likeness and kind.

after all, you can't have 2 different contracts with the same objective (Union), and different obligations. the latter must have precedence.

both the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution for the United States were both created for the purposes of "Union", and the latter specifically stated "in Order to form a more perfect Union".

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Re: Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repealed?

Postby Mjsmikey777 » Thursday July 8th, 2010 9:32 pm MDT

Please go and purchase the United States Code Volume 1 where in fact you will find the Unrepealed Articles of Confederation on the Same level as the Declaration of Independence The Constitution for the United States of America and the Northwest Ordinance all unrepealed Organic laws of the United States of America...and who or what is the United States of America anyway?

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Re: Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repealed?

Postby Admin » Thursday July 8th, 2010 10:43 pm MDT

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That is totally irrelevant for the following reasons:
  1. The United States Code is not law; rather, it is an abridgment of elements of law and its history allegedly provided in “code” to make the law easier to understand at least in its effect.
  2. The Declaration of Independence is not law; rather it is a letter that was written to the King to let him know of the grievances of the people of the United States of America.
  3. The list of documents to which you referred, as they were published with the United States Code Vol. 1, are published there and purely a historical foundation for the nation and its laws. As such they are source materials. Such a publication of the same does not make any of it law. The republished documents are merely what they are and they remain as history left them.
Again, we are not going to take this matter any further. If you have a different opinion on that matter you are free to continue with that opinion; but, this is not the place for such a contest. We have already expressed the simple facts that prove the error and that should have been enough. Thus, this thread is officially closed because that matter was fully resolved by history as we have shown. You are free to accept that fact or not.

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