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Constitution for the United States (13th Amendment)

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Constitution for the United States (13th Amendment)

Postby Samuel Howell, Jr. » Tuesday December 4th, 2007 2:23 pm MST

I have been perusing the online resources section on this site and am wondering if there is a link to the original Constitution. I see two links to the "Corp U.S." constitution, but nothing for the original jurisdictions. Am I overlooking it?

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Re: Constitution for the United States

Postby Admin » Tuesday December 4th, 2007 6:07 pm MST

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As is described in both the historical outline and the more in depth history page on Team Law’s website, a link is provided to the Constitution of the United States of America’s 13th Article of amendment. Thus, you can check out that text there. To put the original Constitution together just take everything you find in any Corp. U.S. publication of the United States Constitution and just after the 12th Article of amendment insert the original 13th Article, then renumber Corp. U.S.’ 13th, 14th and 15th Articles as the 14th, 15th and 16th Articles and you have the original Constitution as it was after 1870; since that time it has not changed.

Granted that does not provide you a copy of its publication from an official source; to get that you might want to go to any source where such publications can be had. Our favorite is Colorado’s Nation Archive, where a copy of the Colorado Territory’s publication of its revised statutes in 1868 can be found. In it you will find the publication of the Constitution up to that date. The beauty of that particular publication is it is a territorial publication that accordingly authorized by Congress and published on the year of Grand Jubilee for the Amendment. We have certified copies of that publication available in our office. The certified copies cost us $15.00 each and they can be ordered from us on our Online Store by providing that cost, plus our Order Form’s minimum shipping and any additional supportive donation you desire to offer—then when you place the order simply state in the description field that you are ordering the certified copy of the 14th Article of Amendment. You can also use our Order Form directly and mail it in.

Of course you can contact the national archives for a copy or even Colorado’s Archive.

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Re: Constitution for the United States

Postby Samuel Howell, Jr. » Tuesday December 4th, 2007 7:55 pm MST

When was the original 13th Amendment ratified?
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Re: Constitution for the United States

Postby Admin » Tuesday December 4th, 2007 9:50 pm MST

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Virginia provided the final ratification needed to adopt the new amendment into the nation's Constitution on, or before, December 7th, 1818.

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Re: Constitution for the United States

Postby Samuel Howell, Jr. » Wednesday December 5th, 2007 7:14 am MST

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I am confused. I have looked at two law books:

Laws of the State of New Jersey. Revised and Published Under the Authority of the Legislature. Trenton, NJ: Joseph Justice, 1821. (original copy)

Statutes of the State of New Jersey. Revised and Published Under the Authority of the Legislature. Trenton, NJ: Phillips & Boswell, 1847. (original copy)

In both of these publications, the Constitution and Bill of Rights ends with the 12th Amendment. I did not look them up on line, but, rather, in the private library of a friend of mine.

What would explain the absence of the 13th amendment?

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Re: Constitution for the United States

Postby Admin » Wednesday December 5th, 2007 9:18 am MST

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They simply did not print it. The States are not required to print such things so if and or when they do not, the fact that they did not changes nothing. There is no way for us reasonably to state why they did not print the amendment. However, it is apparent that New Jersey did ratify the amendment on February 13th, 1811. They were the 6th State to do so. Ratification is not proven by State’s publications, rather such publications merely evidence the recognition that the Amendment was recognized as ratified by those that did publish the same. Nothing can be said about those that did not so publish. Ratification is however proven by the State’s legislature formally ratifying the act by their vote to do so. Reviewing those records is how one verifies the ratification.

With the 13th Article of Amendment the controversy, regarding ratification, did not start until modern times, when Corp. U.S. adopted its constitution without including the amendment. Since that, time people began to raise the issue, wondering what happened to it. The way some people review such matters is by looking (with what they presuppose they know) from the present to the past; but such reviews rarely produce accurate results. The only way to properly review relationships is by following the Standard for Review; which causes us to first identify all of the parties related to a matter and then study the history and the environmental relationship of the matter as it comes into existence. The controversy established by those that would look from the present to examine the past come to the review believing that the states involved in a ratification process would be all states that exist at the time of the final ratification. They come with that opinion because that is how Amendments like Corp. U.S.’ 27th were allegedly ratified. Said 27th amendment was actually presented for ratification with the Bill of Rights; however, it was not ratified then, but remained on the books until one day it was apparent that sufficient states had ratified it, at which time Corp. U.S. added the amendment to their constitution.

A review of the documents, records, letters (especially those between Congress and the President of the United States of America) proves such matters were not reviewed that way at the time when the 13th Article of Amendment was first proposed to amend the Constitution of the United States of America. Then, only the states that were states at the time of the proposal were even considered for ratification. At that time states that entered the union subsequent to an amendments proposal were not even provided such proposed amendments for their review. Thus, the modern reviewer may look back at the matter by Corp. U.S. standards and say the amendment did not get sufficient votes for ratification. Still, that argument does not stand well against the original jurisdiction historical model for such a review. The model for such a review from the time of the amendment in question blatantly shows the ratification was made when Virginia ratified the amendment. And, so the matter remained until Corp. U.S. failed to include that amendment in their adoption of their adaptation of the constitution.

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