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Myth 17

Postby Nsoniat » Wednesday November 24th, 2010 11:34 am MST

Myth 17: "The government is trying to eliminate gun ownership" states that the verdict of the United Nations conference on World Population in Cairo was to reduce world population to 1 billion people. I read the UN report on that conference and did not see that anywhere. What I did see was a resolution to lower birth and death rates and poverty. Without a desire for massive depopulation, the case for the debunking of Myth 17 is very weak. Why should we think our own government wants a civil war? Since more conservatives have guns than liberals, it would only result in a loss of power for the government.

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Re: Myth 17

Postby Infinitcell » Thursday November 25th, 2010 12:49 pm MST

Nsoniat,
Did you read the verbatim transcript of the proceedings rather than read a summary (which is like a person's opinion)?

Reducing birth rate has the same effect as population reduction if the birth rate is below 2.1 for every two people. Reducing "death rate" has no effect ultimately because everyone dies. This can only mean increase "life expectancy" which says nothing about the quality of life. How good is it to live to 90 while being pumped full of anti-biotics and dialysis for 13 years? This will have the effect of enriching certain agencies of Corporate US. At this time, the population is in decline, especially in certain areas, from the effect of insufficient birth rate alone.

When you refer to "our own government" do you refer to Corporate United States or the Original Jurisdiction United States of America (please refer to the Standard for Review)? Have you read the History and Historical Outline of our nation? If you read them, and research the primary sources, you will understand that there are two different United States. One of the United States is the government formed by and for the people, limited by the Constitution of the United States of America and the Constitution for the United States of America, which government's constitution has 16 amendments. The other United States is a private foreign corporation, owned by the IMF, ultimately controlled by the British Crown and its relations. Corporate US has 27 amendments, and lacks the original jurisdiction US's 13th amendment.

I agree that the Original Jurisdiction United States of America wants no such thing as civil war. However, Corporate US would be able to capitalize on the people of the United States of America taking up arms against corporate United States of America; Corp. US would then be able to wage open war on the people and conquer them with overwhelming military power, causing the Corporate US to be the actual government, gaining a total control over the land and people. At this time, Corporate United States of America has no rights to title of land, and cannot lawfully do anything to the American people outside of a contract. This causes corporate US to be severely limited when dealing with the American people.

Thank you for your curiosity. We hope that we have been of service in helping you to understand the truth which sets us free.

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Re: Myth 17

Postby Admin » Monday November 29th, 2010 8:49 am MST

:h: Nsoniat:
We both thank you for your inquiry and thank Infinitcell for his response to that inquiry.
Though Infinitcell did answer your question and cover the fact that you cannot know either the outcome of such a conference or its intent by simply reviewing the official summarized report that was designed for marketing their “successful” event to the world, he did not address your allegation that the case we presented against the Myth 17 was week. Your comment to that was based upon our reference to said Cairo conference; however, that reference wasn’t elemental to the myth; rather, it was presented for further consideration external to the myth.

Myth 17 is made self evident by considering the effects of the consistent legislative actions regarding gun control. That effect is quite obvious: more guns, more gun owners and more gun owners getting guns to protect themselves from the powers of governance instead of for other purposes (before it is too late).

Of course, when such effects are considered in concert with the recent barrage of unconstitutional legislation and the unconstitutional turn of governance forces towards a more authoritarian form of control over the people, such events as the Cairo conferences proposals for diminishing the global population seem common with such authoritarian controls.

Accordingly, the people of this country are wise to notice such things and remember that we only granted our government authority to act in accord with our Constitution; which limits governmental authority to the confines of what was granted to them in the Constitution. We would also be wise to remember that though our Constitution created our Constitutional Republic form of government and granted that government sufficient authority to function and control itself, it granted no authority to control the people.

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Re: Myth 17

Postby Nsoniat » Monday November 29th, 2010 3:56 pm MST

Thank you for your reply. I accept your explanation of Myth 17 as not requiring proof of a goal of massive depopulation. Even so, without a credible source to any plan or written desire to reduce the world population by 6 billion. Thank you again for your attention to this matter.

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Re: Myth 17

Postby SimplyThinkDreams » Monday November 29th, 2010 8:08 pm MST

Nsoniat,
I just went on Google and searched for "World population conference cairo reduce world population" and browsed around a bit. In about ten minutes, I found some pretty disturbing information in a position paper on the World Population Conference in Cairo by Donald Mann, the President of Negative Population Growth Inc.!! Can you believe there is a company with this name?

The paper states under a subtitle heading The Optimum Rate of Growth is Negative:
Regarding the World Population Conference in Cairo Donald Mann wrote:World population should have been stabilized long ago at one to two billion (it was 1.65 billion at the beginning of this century). Our urgent task now is to halt world population growth as soon as humanely possible, then to reduce world population gradually, so that it can eventually be stabilized at a sustainable level of two billion or less

There are lots of works cited in the Notes section, which I presume would give you a better idea of how much time and effort certain people spend contemplating how they can halt humanity's growth and reduce its population size! Perhaps this information will be helpful in finding the evidence you are looking for. I have a feeling you have not found the evidence you mentioned because you have not yet searched hard enough or long enough to discover it.

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Re: Myth 17

Postby Admin » Tuesday November 30th, 2010 1:47 pm MST

:h: Nsoniat:
Again, Myth 17 is neither about global population nor depopulation; it is about gun control and related myth that alleges: “The government is trying to eliminate gun ownership.” Accordingly, our debunking of that myth clearly provides that any research of the facts related to Corp. U.S’. efforts towards gun control are not resulting in diminishing gun ownership; rather, the opposite is true. So, the obvious question stands out from those facts:
“Why would Corp. U.S. want the people to arm themselves with guns and an attitude of defending themselves from ‘the government’”?
Infinitcell answered that question in his first response in this topical thread:
With Admin’s ordering, paraphrasing and inserted italicized comment, Infinitcell wrote:At this time, Corp.U.S. has no right to Title of Land, and cannot lawfully do anything to the American people outside of individual contractual agreements. This causes Corp. U.S. to be severely limited when dealing with the American people. …However, if they could get the people to take up arms against them in rebellion of such contractual control… Corporate U.S. would be able to capitalize on the people of the United States of America taking up arms against Corp. U.S. by waging open war with the people and conquering them with overwhelming military power; thus, causing Corp. U.S. to become the actual government, gaining total control over the land and its people.

Which is sufficient a reason for our posting our Myth 17 as a warning for the people to become aware that all may not be as it seems when they review such matters as proposed gun controls. Accordingly, we hope people would take that warning, research the facts for themselves and determine to avoid falling prey to any such potential threats and instead take advantage of the only remedy that can save our country; that being, we must individually awaken to the necessity of learning the law, its (and our) history and then apply the law to save our country.

The one option we cannot fall for is rebellion and/or war against Corp. U.S. Learning the law and applying it is far too easy to excuse ourselves by our ignorance and act in hast without fist exercising our own individual free agency to study, learn and apply the law. Certainly that path is sanctioned by our Creator. Certainly that path is available to us all. Certainly it is a worthy purpose for the occupation of our time, talent and effort.

Finally, the path of learning the law form our own individual firsthand study of the law combined by our wisely considered application of the law is the only way to resolve the problems we face in our country while keeping food on our tables and fuel in our tanks. Wise application takes not only firsthand study of the law and its application, it also requires a righteous thankful people supplicating with our Creator for guidance in the process and then following the divine counsel received in that process as we so study and apply the law. Only then will we learn the full potential of the process. Thus, over all else, Team Law continues to proclaim the only weapons we have to fight in this battle are, and must remain, the combined weapons of Law and the Spirit of God. These are the two weapons the Founding Fathers and our Country relied upon when they were under attack from Great Britain in the War of Independence; and, they are the only reliable tools we have now. However, we should now be far better suited to use such tools; given our current access to enhanced resources for learning and experiences witnessing of our Creator’s continued support.

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